Comments on: The Choice: May 2007 http://www.alternativeparty.org/the-choice-may-2007/ Thinking about holistic accounting in Ireland Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:03:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: William Wall http://www.alternativeparty.org/the-choice-may-2007/#comment-1100 William Wall Sun, 20 May 2007 09:54:55 +0000 http://www.alternativeparty.org/the-choice-may-2007/#comment-1100 Fergus and Philip: I vacillate between thinking that we should take Sinn Fein's rehetoric at face value, and thinking of them as fascist. The nationalist element seems to me to run counter to any claims of socialism. Parties have moved from a conservative nationalist position before. (The thought, however, of a combination of FF and SF is enough to drive me to emigration.) At the moment, I go with Fergus: SF is on the left. Time will tell. Yes, that was me on Marian Finucane's show. Fergus and Philip:
I vacillate between thinking that we should take Sinn Fein’s rehetoric at face value, and thinking of them as fascist. The nationalist element seems to me to run counter to any claims of socialism. Parties have moved from a conservative nationalist position before. (The thought, however, of a combination of FF and SF is enough to drive me to emigration.)
At the moment, I go with Fergus: SF is on the left. Time will tell.
Yes, that was me on Marian Finucane’s show.

]]> By: Fergus http://www.alternativeparty.org/the-choice-may-2007/#comment-1098 Fergus Sat, 19 May 2007 21:10:49 +0000 http://www.alternativeparty.org/the-choice-may-2007/#comment-1098 For me, SF's anti-privatisation and its support of re-distribution through higher taxes on the rich puts it in the Left camp. But many of its social policies are Centrist. Though a spell in government, north and/or south, might well see it heading in the Conservative direction you mention Philip. I agree that they're definitely not Socialist. William: was that you I heard on Marian Finucane this morning? For me, SF’s anti-privatisation and its support of re-distribution through higher taxes on the rich puts it in the Left camp.

But many of its social policies are Centrist.

Though a spell in government, north and/or south, might well see it heading in the Conservative direction you mention Philip.

I agree that they’re definitely not Socialist.

William: was that you I heard on Marian Finucane this morning?

]]> By: Philip http://www.alternativeparty.org/the-choice-may-2007/#comment-1097 Philip Sat, 19 May 2007 11:34:00 +0000 http://www.alternativeparty.org/the-choice-may-2007/#comment-1097 An Pharti Coimeádach? The Irish Conservative Party. That would be a big step forward, but I doubt if the FFs and FGs and indeed the PDs who think that way would have the bottle to label themselves as such. A lot of people who vote for them now would be shocked to think of themselves as right wing or conservative. I see that no one agrees with me that SF are conservative. As for myself, I can't figure out how a party whose name means *Ourselves" could be socialist. An Pharti Coimeádach? The Irish Conservative Party. That would be a big step forward, but I doubt if the FFs and FGs and indeed the PDs who
think that way would have the bottle to label themselves as such. A lot of people who vote for them now would be shocked to think of themselves as right wing or conservative.

I see that no one agrees with me that SF are conservative. As for myself, I can’t figure out how a party whose name means *Ourselves” could be socialist.

]]> By: William Wall http://www.alternativeparty.org/the-choice-may-2007/#comment-1096 William Wall Sat, 19 May 2007 07:21:24 +0000 http://www.alternativeparty.org/the-choice-may-2007/#comment-1096 Actually, when you think about it, a hybrid called FFFG would be perfect. Actually, when you think about it, a hybrid called FFFG would be perfect.

]]> By: Fergus http://www.alternativeparty.org/the-choice-may-2007/#comment-1095 Fergus Sat, 19 May 2007 03:31:31 +0000 http://www.alternativeparty.org/the-choice-may-2007/#comment-1095 Or how about: FF - Centre Right FG - Right PD - Neo-Liberal SF - Centre Left Labour - Social Democrat Greens - Liberal SP - Socialist Independents - too varied to group Or how about:

FF - Centre Right
FG - Right
PD - Neo-Liberal
SF - Centre Left
Labour - Social Democrat
Greens - Liberal
SP - Socialist
Independents - too varied to group

]]> By: William Wall http://www.alternativeparty.org/the-choice-may-2007/#comment-1093 William Wall Fri, 18 May 2007 20:24:57 +0000 http://www.alternativeparty.org/the-choice-may-2007/#comment-1093 How about: FF - Right (populist) FG - Centre Right PD - Hard Right SF - Socialist (populist) Labour - Social Democrat/Left liberal The Greens - Liberal (conservationist) Socialist Party - Socialist Independents - mostly conservative How about:

FF - Right (populist)
FG - Centre Right
PD - Hard Right
SF - Socialist (populist)
Labour - Social Democrat/Left liberal
The Greens - Liberal (conservationist)
Socialist Party - Socialist
Independents - mostly conservative

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